ZedAI telcon 20090105
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Note: The 5 January 2009 meeting will be held at 1400h UTC. Find the meeting time in your geographical location.
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Present
Markus, Matt, James, Marisa, Kenny, Boris, Sam (after approximately 15 mins) and Per
Regrets: Stephen, Gregory and Ole
Scribe
Per
Action Items
Action items from last telcon were not discussed during this telcon, so new and pending action items are kept alive.
Still Pending
- Gregory to research mechanisms for local extension of taxonomies
- James to begin research on XInclude and/or other strategies for splitting document over multiple files
- GJR send email on XHTML1.x as possible fallback strategy (Remains)
- Markus fix ZedAI main page, start a ZedAI Overview page (postponed, Markus is working on spec prose first.)
New (from previous telcon)
- Everybody should review and comment on "simplebook profile schemadoc" in mail from Markus, Dec 15th
- Kenny to investigate Chicago Manual of Style equivalent for periodicals
New (this telcon)
- Sam to be responsible for gathering together some sample documents.
- Markus to contact Oxygen for possible free licenses.
- Markus to invite people for profile testing.
- Markus to ask the DAISY list about how newspapers/periodicals markup is currently being done.
- James to review the spec skeleton
- Everybody to find out whether they will be able to join a F2F at that time and location (adjacent to CSUN in March)
Agenda/Minutes
Markus: Aim of this meeting: outline what needs to be done before February 27th. Due to formal NISO issues, we will probably got another months working time.
Sample Content
- How do we produce more sample content (for current simplebook profile draft, and upcoming drafts)?
- (Relation to build system, and the auto-validation-test routine that is already in place there)
Markus: Currently just one sample doc in build, which provides a feasibility check, but we also need content documents related to quality of markup.
James: Sample docs is the best way to find out if what we have done is usable.
Markus: Action item for Sam to be responsible for gathering together some sample documents
Markus: Leona (colleague of Kenny) will join the list, to help us with transcription related work and issues.
Markus: Oxygen is the only known RelaxNG schema-aware editor, XMLSpy can be used with the XSD Schema but is not RelaxNG schema-aware. An automatically generated XSD schema for the Simple Book Profile is available, but it is not known if it works as expected. It would be useful to have the XSD Schema tested.
James informed us that it is possible to get free Oxygen licences for personal use.
Action item for Markus to contact Oxygen for possible free licenses.
Markus pointed out that testing a profile by creating compliant sample content, is best done done with someone from outside the group.
James: Could involve people on the major ZedNext list
Action item for Markus to invite people for profile testing.
Iteration 2 Overview/Planning
- Walkthrough of the deliverables of Iteration 2. These are described in ZedAI_Iteration1_Report#Deliverables_for_the_next_iteration,
also with some related action items taken during ZedAI_telcon_20081215.
Markus outlined deliverables for the next iteration.
Metadata Module and Metadata Spec Prose
Matt: The IFLA group have had a look at current metadata models. It seems tricky to use the current XHTML metadata model. Worst case scenario: Import other standards (than XHTML) from other namespaces into the document. Not very nice and clean, but doable.
Matt plans to distribute some information about metadata to the group.
Periodicals Profile, first draft
Markus: Need to look at the higher levels of this profiles document model. Different needs that must be handled by such a profile; newsfeed based production versus classical markup of newspapers/periodicals.
Action item for Markus to ask the DAISY list about how newspapers/periodicals markup is currently being done.
Markus: Could also decide to restrict the profile to be used only for newsfeeds, and not for periodicals.
Some discussion about what kind of markup is necessary for representing newspapers/magazines.
James: Are there anyone doing republishing of printed news papers? Markup of printed news papers and magazines might not be a use case with a long life time.
Markus: Might be wise to scope the periodicals profile more tightly than originally thought.
Markus: Kenny (lead), Markus, Gregory and Ole will form a subgroup for future work on this profile.
Advanced Book Profile, first draft
Markus reminded us that in the end we might not want to distinguish between the Simple and Advanced Book Profiles.
The XML grammars MathM and SVG are available, and will both be easy to implement in an advanced book Profile. DocBook has markup for computer code, that easily could form a part of a profile.
An Advanced Book Profile could be defined to be a profile that brings in foreign grammars. Such a profile could be made available immediately.
Subset schemas may be automatically created during build-processes, e.g. to exclude DocBook computer code grammar, if not required.
Final RDF Book Taxonomy
Marisa: CMOS (Chicago Manual Of Style) is sometimes very vague and sometimes very rigid, and it's not always clear if we agree with their guidelines. Hard to define a relationship to CMOS.
Markus suggests a one-by-one approach to handle the taxonomy items. In some cases it might be necessary to define our own CURIEs and not base the taxonomy on others.
First draft spec
Markus: A skeleton is written, and James has got it for reviewing
Action item for James to review the spec skeleton
Include prose descriptions of elements and attributes in generated documentation
Markus: Ongoing work seems to be okay
Spring F2F (just to keep the thread alive)
Any comments on tentative plan of holding it adjacent to CSUN in march
Action item for everybody to find out whether they will be able to join a meeting at that time and location.
AOB
Happy New Year!
