ZedAI telcon 20081201
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Present
Markus (scribe), Sam, Marisa, Boris, James, Gregory, Ole, Kenny Regrets: Stephen
Scribe
Action Items
New Action Items
- MG Iteration report discussion of fallback if XHTML2 gets delayed. Accept delay as a solution?
- GJR send email on XHTML1.x as possible fallback strategy
- MG investigate using NVDL to reference NewsML XSD fragment
- MdM remove cardinality and datatype stuff from taxonomy draft
- all read and comment on pers email on frontmatter
Action Items Carried Over
- Markus fix ZedAI main page, start a ZedAI Overview page (postponed, Markus is working on spec prose first.)
- Per: continue frontmatter content model discussion on list (ref: RNIB Book DTD)
Minutes
XHTML2 Timeline
GJR: linked XHTML2 latest draft in agenda, a new editors draft is in preparation.
GJR: all dependency specs are now submitted as CR or PR, plate is now cleared
March next year is expected to be be a very stable spec release.
The long time between CR and PR is because we need 2 independent implementations of each issue.
GJR will work with @cite, since now src and href everywhere
GJR: regarding role, want to avoid conflict between DAISY taxonomy and ARIA / XHTML VOCAB.
MG: Do we want a fallback plan if XHTML2 gets severely delayed?
GJR: We have pushed modules that might have objections are ahead, it should be easier getting the draft through.
GJR: with addition of DAISY to group feel confindent it will meet its timelines
GJR: UWA were developing DIAL, want to see if they can adopt XHTML2 as well
JP: I dont see an obvious alternative for fallback. There is no other obvious technical solution.
@MG Iteration report discussion of fallback if XHTML2 gets delayed. Accept delay as a solution?
@GJR send email on XHTML1.x as possible fallback
Status update, any issues, Periodicals SubWG (Kenny)
KJ: Identified elements til now; Byline, Headline, Section, Sub section, Copyright line (e.g. "© News Limited Australia. All rights reserved."), Edition (e.g. N - Canberra)
Use NVDL to reference NewsML fragment
MG: Might be able to write a custom wrapper, or some other solution, @markus investigate using NVDL to reference NewsML XSD fragment.
OHA: I dont see the problem (ed note: Ole seldom sees problems... only possibilities)
Namespace
If we decide to define our own elements for periodicals specific constructs, the general rule is that the namespace should be generic and not tied to profiles nor modules. Something like http://www.daisy.org/ns/z3986/ai#. This holds true for any module created and owned by DAISY, unless there is a specific reason to deviate.
4 ways of solving the problem
KJ, did some research: 4 ways that periodicals documents could be represented:
- RDF/A with Dublin Core <h property="dc:title">
- Use Dublin Core elements <dc:creator>
- Our own elements <d:byline>
- Use elements straight from NewsML
KJ: if we cant include the NewsML schema, perhaps we can import the Dublin Core schema to avoid having to create our own elements, eg option 2.
Periodicals subWG will discuss further on wednesdays telcon.
RDF/Role
@marisa remove cardinality and datatype stuff from taxonomy draft (we can readd later, right now mostly seen as duplicating schema matter)
GJR: strive to get as much as possible into XHTML VOCAB. All agree.
Why bridgehead?
content model of x2:section, one h followed by bridgehead*, or several h's (with @role="bridgehead")
JP: or the other way around, @role="head" and very other occurence of <h> is bridgehead
Leisure profile
Per marked up some bookshelf entries. Added to repository. Have introduced several new elements, posted questions on prolog and epilog.
@all read and comment on pers email on frontmatter.
When to use elements, when to use @role annotations
The group concludes from todays discussion that we need some kind of clarity in terms of when to use dedicated elements, and when to use pre-existing elements, annotated with @role and/or @property.
Agenda
Previous Action Items
- Markus fix ZedAI main page, start a ZedAI Overview page (postponed, Markus is working on spec prose first.)
- Per: continue frontmatter content model discussion on list (ref: RNIB Book DTD)
XHTML2 Timeline published
- Last Call: 2009-03
- CR: 2009-06
- PR: 2009-12
- REC: 2010-03
For Reference:
- XHTML2 (latest drafts)
- note: a new Editor's Draft of XHTML2 is in preparation; GJR will alert the list when it is published
Status update, any issues, Periodicals SubWG (Kenny)
1. What namespace should we put the periodicals specific elements in? Should they be a part of the same namespace which will define the elements required for the leisure profile?
2. With NVDL you can place restrictions on elements in a schema. Should we use this approach to import elements from the NewsML vocabulary?
Progress thus far:
1. The following elements have been identified for the Periodicals profile in addition to the elements in the xhtml 2.0 namespace: a. Dateline
b. Byline
c. Headline.
d. Section.
e. Sub section.
Status update, any issues, RDF/Role SubWG (Boris, Marisa)
We can go over the first very basic attempt at a DAISY taxonomy and talk about the questions on that page.
