Minutes: 111209 Whole day
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Log from channel irc://irc.efnet.net/#daisy starting 2009-11-12 09:11:36 -0800
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| danielwec | Scribe: Daniel | 09:11 |
| » marisa_ joined the chat room. | 09:13 | |
| danielwec | Alternative solution to the WAV/PCM problem is to provide an Archive feature to inject such requirement into the default Profiles | 09:13 |
| danielwec | for NIMAS: ZedAi is perfect | 09:15 |
| danielwec | (Braille, text etc.) | 09:15 |
| » Romain joined the chat room. | 09:21 | |
| danielwec | Hi Rom ! | 09:22 |
| danielwec | Declare activation of a feature, it takes components from the pool | 09:22 |
| danielwec | e.g. Video | 09:23 |
| danielwec | at feature-creation time, SMIL schema is modified: <video/> element | 09:24 |
| danielwec | reminder: classic profile is locked | 09:25 |
| danielwec | "pro" is open to such injection of feature | 09:25 |
| danielwec | e.g. Timed Text (TTAF-DFXP, now named TTML) | 09:26 |
| danielwec | create concrete doctype based on TTML modules | 09:26 |
| danielwec | <textstream/> injected into SMIL by Captioning component (TTML) | 09:31 |
| danielwec | if feature is not supported, at container level a user-agent can determine what fallback "view" is available in the distribution unit | 09:32 |
| danielwec | NCX: MediaFragment seems overkill, as we can use SMIL anchors | 09:41 |
| danielwec | and it makes more sense to keep authored intent in a simple form, and in the director (SMIL) | 09:41 |
| danielwec | external medata with arbitrary links/content selectors require Media Fragments | 09:42 |
| danielwec | Forms feature | 09:49 |
| danielwec | SMIL State | 09:50 |
| danielwec | is injected | 09:50 |
| danielwec | Text Document CDI for Forms islands | 09:51 |
| danielwec | incubator process defined for new profiles | 09:54 |
| danielwec | => revision of the spec (not necessary for features injection) | 09:55 |
| danielwec | Math as a feature too | 09:59 |
| danielwec | feature fallback problem: | 10:07 |
| danielwec | what about Forms ? | 10:07 |
| danielwec | PDF ?? | 10:07 |
| danielwec | (of course not) | 10:07 |
| danielwec | assumption: content producers are good citizens and follow good practice | 10:10 |
| danielwec | DAISY standard's role is to provide the toolbox with necessary fallbacks, and recommend authoring practice | 10:11 |
| danielwec | strawman 2 (will be on wiki soon) | 10:13 |
| danielwec | Profiles cannot be extended without revising specification | 10:13 |
| danielwec | but incubation process will be available | 10:13 |
| danielwec | Features can be injected without revising the spec | 10:14 |
| danielwec | "Should" mechanism for fallbacks, not "must" | 10:15 |
| danielwec | at spec release, the planned features are: video, forms, math | 10:15 |
| danielwec | ...and SVG | 10:22 |
| danielwec | switch/fallback at container level AND at content-island level | 10:33 |
| danielwec | both important, depends on authoring use-case, producer needs | 10:33 |
| danielwec | depends on the type of content generated | 10:33 |
| danielwec | BREAK | 10:42 |
| danielwec | Daniel is rebooting | 10:51 |
| » danielwec left the chat room. | 10:51 | |
| Boris_G | BREAK OVER | 10:54 |
| Boris_G | Note: pro profile as we've defined it only allows text content in the strict doctype | 10:55 |
| Boris_G | TIMELINE | 10:56 |
| Boris_G | Suggest to IDPF - start a revision cycle. | 10:57 |
| Boris_G | Try to start requirements gathering but the end of 2009; complete by end of Jan 2010 | 10:57 |
| Boris_G | Try to complete revision of EPub by end of 2010 | 10:57 |
| Boris_G | At least 3 months to get official approval from NISO / ANSI after that | 10:58 |
| Boris_G | Zed Dist could then be submitted for approval in early 2010 | 10:59 |
| Boris_G | Correction: Zed dist submitted in early 2011 ! | 11:02 |
| Boris_G | Dependency on W3C's HTML5: hoping for last call by end of 2009. Unknown how long to get to TR status - but hope this may happen by end of 2010. | 11:02 |
| Boris_G | When do we want to aim to have a draft standard for test use? | 11:05 |
| Boris_G | We're also hoping to have sample implementation(s) of all features | 11:05 |
| Boris_G | Suggestion: Oct 1 for draft standard? | 11:07 |
| Boris_G | Then we stay in draft status until dependencies are officially approved. | 11:09 |
| Boris_G | ZedAI draft is still targeted for March 2010 | 11:12 |
| Boris_G | Are there things in current practice that can't wait that long for distribution? | 11:14 |
| marisa_ | HTML5 timeline from w3c: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/ | 11:16 |
| marisa_ | slower than our timeline but we should look at details (what's likely to change after CR, what are browsers supporting) | 11:16 |
| Boris_G | How can we build something with Ruby support quickly? | 11:18 |
| Boris_G | Need classic profile; authoring tool; playback tool. | 11:19 |
| Boris_G | Would be hard to get that out much before October. | 11:22 |
| Boris_G | Will assign responsibility for the various pieces at the next telecon | 11:24 |
| Boris_G | Also will review this strawman 2 -- Markus will put it on the wiki. | 11:25 |
| Boris_G | And we will talk about the timeline, and whether there should be two stages of draft standard (so audio & classic profiles can get done earlier). | 11:26 |
| » marisa_ left the chat room. | 11:27 | |
| Boris_G | MEETING CLOSED | 11:27 |
