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2 different languages in one DAISY book when using TTS?

Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:51 pm

by misdt (Posted Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:51 pm)

Hi Nadia,

the answer is: yes!

But then again there are plenty of ways of achieving this... (see above for one of them)

If you are using the xml, aka Daisy 3 (also known as Ansi/Niso z39.86) fileset, then the different language sections should be marked up with their prospective language tags and the various TTS's will detect this and react accordingly.

It you use Daisy 2.02 then the above is only what I would like to call a theoretical option.

Therefore:

Depending on the authoring tool, you can mark certain sections (i.e. those whose language doesn't accord with the TTS) as 'not to be recorded' therefore keeping that section as 'text only, no audio'. Once that's done, you declare the parts just TTS'd as having no audio (although in fact, they do), and revoke that command for those sections that you previously declared as having no audio and let TTS of the second language have a go at things.

If your authoring tool doesn't have that feature, then there is always the tedious route: copy all sections of one language, TTS those externally, do the same with the other language and afterwards copy/paste/import the result(whatever your authoring tool allowes) into the original Daisy full-text.

And yes, validate afterwards...

As you can see, what I'm really saying is: with what tool and fileset are you attempting this?

Hope this wasn't too disillusioning
Olaf

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Plugin Loaded But only saves don't get Info Page

Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:52 pm

by Paul Wood (Posted Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:52 pm)

Yeah, Sorry!

Vista Business SP1 with Office 2003 after uninstalling Office 2007 Trial. Compatibility Pack added etc.

I've looked where you suggested but can't find a Sonata folder
After c:\Users\PaulW.Torchtrust\AppData there is local, localLow and roaming and there is no Sonata Folder or any xml documents in any of them! Does this mean it didn't install properly?
The only Sonata folder is in ProgramFiles and there are no xml's there!

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Daisy and MS Word

Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:50 am

by pavan_kakumani (Posted Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:50 am)

Hi,

Can u please send us the environment details like OS and Office version.
Also I would suggest u to check the following and let us know the same.

Check whether the “prepopulated_daisy.xml” file is created in the following path (in the drive where windows is installed)

For Windows Vista:
\Users\UserName\AppData\Sonata\prepopulated_daisy.xml

For Windows Server 2003 or Windows XP:
\Documents and Settings\userName\Application Data\Sonata\prepopulated_daisy.xml

E.g: C:\Documents and Settings\abc_UserName\Application Data\Sonata\ prepopulated_daisy.xml

Thanks,
Pavan

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AMIS 3 beta testers needed!

Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:42 pm

by marisa (Posted Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:42 pm)

Hi everyone,

AMIS 3 is rapidly approaching stable Release Candidate stage, just now reaching its third beta release. The DAISY Consortium is looking for testers to help find the last few bugs. In particular we encourage organizations that plan to recommend AMIS 3 to their users to participate in the beta testing.

Instructions for getting started as a beta tester are here:
http://daisy-trac.cvsdude.com/amis/wiki/BetaTesting

This whole announcement is in the latest DAISY Planet:
http://www.daisy.org/news/news_detail.shtml?NewsId=431

So, if you can get involved, it would really help AMIS! Just drop me a note at marisa (at) dinf.ne.jp .

Thanks

Marisa DeMeglio
Software Developer, DAISY Consortium
http://www.daisy.org

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Obi Beta 2 release

Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:12 pm

by Avneesh (Posted Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:12 pm)

Dear George,

The Pipeline-Lite version is a light version of DAISY pipeline which is specifically developed for working as backend of Obi.
So, you need to install it even if you have full version of DAISY pipeline.

The current process of installation is not very user friendly as Beta versions are intended for testing purpose. We have plans for developing user friendly installer near RC1 versions.

with regards
Avneesh

George Kerscher wrote:I have the full version of the DAISY Pipeline installed. Do I also need to install the light version?

George

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Structure not carried over from Word/Open XML to DAISY XML

Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:36 am

by senthilrajans (Posted Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:36 am)

Hi,

The issue of translating the Headings in different languages has been fixed and will
be available in the next release.

Thanks,

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Daisy title problem

Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:34 am

by senthilrajans (Posted Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:34 am)

Hi,

The issue of translating the Headings in different languages has been fixed and will
be available in the next release.

Thanks,

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alternative text

Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:21 am

by senthilrajans (Posted Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:21 am)

Hi,

Alternative text has to be updated in the word document itself and this will be transalted in 'Save As DAISY' option.

Steps to update the alt text in word for imagaes
1) right-clicking on the image then selecting "Format Picture",
2) selecting the "Alt Text" tab,
3) entering text in the "Alterantive text" text box.

Thanks,

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error message noBreakHyphen

Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:15 am

by senthilrajans (Posted Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:15 am)

Hi,

These messages are shown when a particular data is not translated in the output XML.

Could you please send us this document for further analysis?

Thanks,

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DAISY Plugin for Word 2003.

Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:10 am

by senthilrajans (Posted Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:10 am)

Hi,

Here's the link to the fix:
http://blogs.msdn.com/accessibility/arc ... ialog.aspx

Thanks,

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difficulty with alt text for image

Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:06 am

by senthilrajans (Posted Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:06 am)

Hi,
This issue is fixed and will be available in the next release.
Thanks,

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link (anchor) garbled in translation

Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:03 am

by senthilrajans (Posted Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:03 am)

Hi,
We will analyze this issue and will fix it in the next release.

Thanks,

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slowdown

Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:13 pm

by marisa (Posted Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:13 pm)

Thank you very much for your comment, we will consider this as a feature request for a post-3.0 version of AMIS.

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Another question about TTS in the narrator

Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:06 pm

by romain.deltour (Posted Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:06 pm)

It seems that there is a problem related to spaces in the file path.

Are you using Windows XP or Vista ? and have you installed the Pipeline as a user with admin rights or not ?
Could you also send me the error log (Window > Show View > Error Log, then save to text file using the Export Log button) at romain_deltour(at)yahoo.fr ?

Thanks for the report anyway!
Romain.

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Short primer on DAISY standards and Word to DAISY conversion

Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:36 am

by romain.deltour (Posted Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:36 am)

I recently posted a comment on Lon Thornburg's blog to describe an basic overview of the different DAISY standards and file sets, and what are the files at stake in the MS Word to DAISY conversion using MS "Save as DAISY XML" and the Pipeline.

Here's a copy of this comment:

1. DAISY Standards

There are two main versions of the DAISY standard: the DAISY 2.02, and DAISY 3 (officially ANSI/NISO Z39.86).

Each of these specifications describes what is a Digital Talking Book (DTB), which is in both case composed of different files.

To make it simple, a DAISY 2.02 full-audio, full-text book is composed of:

the navigation control center document (ncc.html)
the text content document (.html)
a set of audio files (wav, mp3)
a set of SMIL files (to synchronize the different media, text and audio)

A DAISY 3 full-audio, full-text book is composed of:

a DTB package file (.opf), which contains metadata and the list of the other files
a navigation control file (.ncx), basically the table of content
a DTBook file (.xml) which contains the textual content
a set of audio files (wav, mp3)
a set of SMIL files (to synchronize the different media, text and audio)

As you've seen, some players accept a mere DTBook xml file: they use advanced conversion technique and speech synthesis to make a full DTB out of this xml textual content.
Others require a fully built DTB though. DAISY 2.02 players usually expect the ncc.html, while DAISY 3 players will usually expect the .opf file.

2. MS Add-In

The MS DAISY Translator, aka MS "Save as DAISY XML" converts a Word document in a DTBook file. It doesn't produce a full Digital Talking Book yet. That's why this output is only readable in some of the players out there.

The solution is either to use a player that will play a DTBook XML directly using speech synthesis, or to use a conversion tool to make a full DTB out of the DTBook XML file.

At the time of this writing, the ability to create a full DTB is planned for a next version of the Word Add-In.

3. Pipeline

To create a DTB from Word with the Pipeline, you have two options:

Use the built in Word 2003 XML to DTBook converter to produce the DTBook, then use Pipeline Narrator to produce DTBs from the DTBook.
Use the MS "Save as DAISY XML" Add-In to produce the DTBook xml, then use the Pipeline Narrator to produce DTBs from the DTBook.

Note that the Narrator will create 3 books: a DAISY 2.02 book, a DAISY 3 book with wav-encoded audio, and a DAISY 3 book with mp3-encoded audio.
You should be able to read at least one of these DTB in any DAISY player you have, and as far as I know AMIS 3 (in beta version at the time of this writing) supports both DAISY 2.02 and DAISY 3 full-text full-audio books.

Romain.

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a question about MyStudioPC and SigtunaDAR3

Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:14 am

by mycomputer_2008 (Posted Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:14 am)

Hello!
I have question about MyStudioPC and SigtunaDAR3, I heard that this two softwares can translate many tapes to mp3 files in short time,Because we have a lot of tapes which can play by recorder.But I don't know how to do this,So I want somedody to help me about this tech question,I am very thanks for your help!

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Newbie Needs Help

Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:19 am

by romain.deltour (Posted Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:19 am)

Hello Gordon,

Sorry for the late reply.
This error may come from either your TTS choking on a piece of text, or a bug in the Pipeline. What does the message log says?

Could you please forward me the Pipeline message log and the Pipeline error log? See the FAQ item on how to export error logs.

Also, feel free to send me the original dtbook at romain_deltour (at) yahoo.fr so that I can try and reproduce the error.

Thank you,
Romain Deltour.

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Captchas - Any accessible alternatives out there?

Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:59 pm

by DAISY (Posted Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:59 pm)

CAPTCHA - Completely Automated Public Test to tell Computers and Humans Apart
or, what everyone knows as 'a funny looking image in which you were supposed to find a squence of numbers or letters which you had to copy to a textfield to prove that you are a human and not a machine.'

JCAPTCHA - Java implementation that supposedly could include an audio interface - is that a good solution?

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blog posting about plug-in

Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:00 pm

by rgm2008 (Posted Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:00 pm)

http://nolimitstolearning.blogspot.com/ ... ls-to.html

One goal this morning was to present you with a free DAISY player I found called AMIS that will allow you to open DAISY books. The player has a newer Beta test that is not available yet, so I downloaded the older stable player. It works fine and I would suggest it as a free reader tool. My second goal was to show you how to use the new MS Word add-in to convert text from Word into a DAISY file and play on this free reader. What looked to be an easy voayge into modern technolological advancement, turned into a maze of frustration and a dead end (kind of), but I am not giving up. You might enjoy reading my little story and it could save you some of my grief...and add humor to your day!

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Open for public suggestions on renaming the Standard

Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:32 pm

by mgarrish (Posted Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:32 pm)

Isn't a change in direction what is being considered, though? Perhaps not a radical one, but certainly an ideological one:

- although there is refreshable braille, digital is a misnomer for the print braille production that has been discussed except for the state of the input file;
- braille books don't talk;
- and my understanding is that more than just traditional "books" are being considered for incorporation into the standard.

And that's only from the braille perspective. If the goal is to provide access to a fuller range of media, then it would seem to be an opportune moment to shed the talking book heritage for a more encompassing term.

I also don't see that the loss of DTBook or DTB would have much bearing beyond the more immediate group of developers and producers who currently create content. DAISY's capital is invested in the name DAISY. If you talk about DAISY or the "DAISY standard" or DAISY talking books anyone even remotely familiar with the technology will understand what you're talking about. If you talk to them about DTBook or DTBs you'll more likely get a blank stare.

Digital talking books will always be perhaps the most important aspect of DAISY (and will no doubt always be referred to as DAISY talking books), but why bind the standard so tightly to being a talking book standard by its name? If the goal is to be more than talking books, it would seem strange to continue to refer to it as such. The digital talking book standard for braille production sounds like DAISY's having an identity crisis.

Just my 2c as always...

Matt

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'Save as DAISY' Phase 2 will produce full DAISY book

Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:04 pm

by digitaltalkingbook (Posted Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:04 pm)

Phase 1: 'Save as DAISY XML'
Phase 1 (Version 1.3.0) is titled with 'DAISY XML' in the title since only the DTBook file is created, which is the DAISY XML formatted file of the text content of the Word file.

For a full description of the project as announced, please see the November 2007 issue of the DAISY Planet.
For a list of production tools available to transform the DTBook file into a DAISY book (as of Spring 2008), see the May 2008 issue of the DAISY Planet.

Phase 2: 'Save as DAISY'
The second phase of project development is now being planned which will produce a full DAISY book directly from Microsoft Word. Other features to be included in this release will be announced as soon as the list is finalized. Public release of Version 2 is not expected until early 2009.

Note: At least one intermediate release is expected to correct problems found in Version 1 and to upgrade existing documentation.

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Instruction Manual and Troubleshooting Guide

Fri Jun 06, 2008 5:24 am

by admin (Posted Fri Jun 06, 2008 5:24 am)

Support Documents from Microsoft: (you will only be able to open these documents using Word 2007)

DAISY Translator Instruction Manual (.docx for Word 2007)
DAISY Trouble Shooting Guidelines (.docx for Word 2007)

For users of earlier versions of Word, these documents are available here:

DAISY Translator Instruction Manual (.doc Word 97-2003)
DAISY Trouble Shooting Guidelines (.doc Word 97-2003)

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Forum topics reorganized into subforums

Fri Jun 06, 2008 5:04 am

by admin (Posted Fri Jun 06, 2008 5:04 am)

This forum has been reorganized into several subforums for Microsoft Save as DAISY. Nothing has been deleted.

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Features covered in this release + some for the future

Mon May 12, 2008 7:27 pm

by George Kerscher (Posted Mon May 12, 2008 7:27 pm)

The first release of Microsoft Save as DAISY XML took place on 7 May 2008. This was the third released version. To keep the numbering scheme clear, we are going to rename this release 1.3.0 Versions released that fix bugs will be incremented, as in: 1.3.1 etc.

The beginning of phase two will lead to a second release, version 2. We will use the same approach, the first public beta will be 2.1 and increase incrementally until we reach the second official release.

We will be posting information about the features covered in the second release.

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problems in installation of save as daisy add-in

Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:52 am

by MayuHamada (Posted Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:52 am)

Additional info from Johnvi is as follows:

what I did is to copy the folder named Daisy Translator Addin for Microsoft Word folder under the sonata. Then locate the template add-in of microsoft word. Mine is under c:\documents and settings-johnvi\application data\microsoft\templates and I pasted in there. Note your system may be different from my folder. Then I open my microsoft word, and these are the steps.
1. go to tools menu
2. arrow down to template add-in and press enter. You will be in a edit menu under templates tab. Try to tab and locate the list view. If you see the templates 2003 check this by pressing the space bar, and if you don't see this try to tab once and you will fall on add... button then press enter.
3. go to the list view You will see the folder named (daisy translator in microsoft word) and press enter.
4. you will see the file named templates 2003.dot press enter on this file.
5. all you have to do is to press tab ok button to accept the settings.

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Testing the save as DAISY plugin

Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:44 am

by DAISY (Posted Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:44 am)

Most of the documentation was updated with the first release of the DAISY add-in on May 7, but some versions remain out there that imply that a full DAISY book is produced. This is still the goal but the output of this first phase is just the XML encoding of the text of the document.

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Not only for Office 2007...

Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:24 pm

by digitaltalkingbook (Posted Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:24 pm)

Installation instructions are included in the download for Microsoft Office Word (Word XP, Word 2003 and Word 2007).

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can't open trouble shooting file

Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:45 pm

by MayuHamada (Posted Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:45 pm)

Thank you!
I could open the file which you attached.
It is strange.. I have converter to open word 2007 file on my computer but there is an error message during conversion.

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How to begin ?

Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:09 am

by romain.deltour (Posted Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:09 am)

DAISY production on Linux is currently quite limited with the Pipeline.

The script that you would use to produce a DAISY DTB from the DAISY XML file (dtbook) you get from Microsoft "Save as DAISY" is the Narrator (under the category Creation > Simple). Unfortunately, no adapters are provided to bridge the Pipeline calls to a Linux TTS engine, which makes it unusable on Linux as is.

The Pipeline neither provide a way for a user to feed existing audio files: the Pipeline is a non interactive authoring tool, and as far as I can tell there would be no straight automatic way to associate existing audio files to a text-only file set.
What you can currently do is to produce a DAISY 2.02 text-only fileset using the "DAISY 2.02 Text-Only Fileset Generator" script (in the category Creation>Advanced), and then narrate the audio using a production tool. I don't know if such a tool exist for Linux though.

The DAISY website has (non-exhaustive) lists of authoring tools and playback tools.

Note that the Pipeline itself is not a reader.

Finally, note that we'd be more than happy to assist anyone who'd volunteer to contribute a Linux TTS adapter for the Narrator!

HTH,
Romain.

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